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Best gauge/set for 20" Octave Mandolin?

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Might get an entry-level (Trinity College) Octave, just to add another instrument to my already iffy repertoire.

Generalizing, the OMs I've seen are either short (20") or long (22") scale. This one is 20". I've read that D'Addario's EJ80 set is kinda flabby for the shorter scale instruments.

So, what gauges are y'all using/recommending for 20" scale OMs?

Best budget Octave Mandolin?

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These are always subjective questions... but here we are.

What would you recommend as a good, solid OM for less than $1000 used?

I'd like to stay near 20" scale if possible. (I think heavier strings can compensate for the shorter scale.)

The Mandolin Store has lovely Weber Gallatin A-style OM's, but it's more than I want to spend.

(I did bid on a Trinity College TC-325, but lost... I figure it wasn't meant to be, and I took it as a blessing, as I hadn't really done much research on it.)

Anyway, any recommendations?

New brand on the market?

Trillium cittern played by Carol Coronis

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I chanced upon this video on Youtube while researching Trillium citterns. This video really rocks:



I really like the simplicity of the song although I think it is in 2/4 using an Arabic Maqam thrown in towards the end.

Mandocello conversion... soon

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So I was finally able to lay hands on an Eastman AR804ce archtop guitar for a reasonable price. As soon as it arrives, I'll commence converting it over to a mandocello. I've got high hopes for it! It's a great way to finish off this year with a bang, and head into next year's exciting and fresh adventure.

So, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all on this forum!

Where to get started for OM

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Hi ,

I have posted a similar thread in the miscellaneous section so apologies for repeating myself.

I have just got a el cheapo Oakridge Octave Mandolin (500mm/20inch fret). I have no experience with Mandolin but currently learning Banjo on Artist Works site. I just love the tone of these OM but confused on where to get started to learn this. I have looked closely at the Irish School of Music but not necessarily wanting to play backup bouzouki and in slightly different scale. So learning chords and rhythm in a different string configuration from the mainstream might be confusing. I love the relatively contemporary pieces like Led Zep and Pink Floyd genre. But what is available by the reviews of the DVD lessons that are available online aren't great for raw beginners.

Any advice on how to get started would be appreciated.

Thx

Eastman MDC805 mandocello, and what I did about it

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A friend of mine recently got an Eastman mandocello. As the well-known story goes, they are nicely made, look great, and sound quite nice as well. But they are usually not very playable out of the box.

I have to say, once it was set up well, which took a fair amount of experimentation to get the spacing dialed in, this is the first Eastman I've played which I think is really a good instrument. Not "a good instrument for the price", it's a good mandocello, period. I'm comparing it to several other good mandocellos I've played, mostly old Gibsons, as well as the guitar-to-mandocello conversions I've made myself.

The nut spacing I used, which is a kludge since the strings do not sit centered on the neck, does not feel like kludge in practice. You forget all about it. There's nothing wrong with the neck shape. I wouldn't feel the need to reshape or narrow the neck if this were mine.
After playing all evening on this thing, my hands felt no more fatigued than if I'd been playing jazz on my Strat.

So anyway.. yeah. More mandocellos in the world. It's a good thing.

https://soundcloud.com/martyjacobson/eastmandocello-tenpenny-bit-and-cliffs-of-moher
https://soundcloud.com/martyjacobson/eastmandocello-prelude

Nut pic and specs:
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Mandola Instructional Materials

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I play mandolin, OM and guitar, and I've been trying to learn mandola. In searching for posts concerning mandola instruction, I recently found a post pointing to THE MANDOLA SAMPLER by Niles Hokkanen at Elderly. I found it very helpful. I'd appreciate folks pointing me to other materials that help me learn mandola. :mandosmiley:

Andy irvine new supergroup

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Check out Andy's website for Usher's Island. Creme de la creme of Irish music. Cant wait to see them in the new year!

Observations after 1 day

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Bought a year old Weber Gallatin Octave. After a total of about 1.5hrs of playing since I got it Monday night. Couple of observations and questions.

1. Haven't been playing the regular mandolin very much in recent times, so both skin and little finger joint are begging for mercy.
2. 20" inches is more than long enough for these tiny hands. 22" would require a whole different way of playing for me.
3. Starting to see some advantages in playing an octave that is an inch or more shorter....for my hands that could really be an advantage at some point.
4. Until I know better, sticking with regular mandolin fingering. But.....my little finger is covering frets 5-7 with a quick hand movement. Might have to get more comfortable with 2nd position or some combination.
5. Haven't bothered with chords....but then again I didn't with the mandolin either. If someone asked me to play a C chord I would have no idea how to do it.....but put it in notation and no problem. Played a few pieces with 4 finger chords tonight....ain't gonna happen. Do people usually drop the lower note on these? Even some three finger chords require a major change in fingering.
6. Once I get to 3rd position it's easier than I thought and a few more days should get me going pretty well......just have to deal with 1st position.
7. I had been using Thomastik lights on my mandolin, but I have had them sitting around for a few years. Checked the prices for octave mandola Thomastiks........gulp.:disbelief:
8. My favorite pick is a medium nylon Moshay. What is the most common pick thickness being used by most people? Figure I might need to go a little thicker.

Hand size

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A few years ago I got a post going while I was complaining about how small my hands were. I think at the time I just measured from outside tip of thumb to outside tip of little finger (8.5" by the way) and it went back and forth on that not being the way to measure the real world distance/playability etc. although it got a bunch of people measuring their hands. So just for the heck of it I just took a picture of my hand from b A string to b E string on this 20" which is a simple thing to do on the mandolin....but I can barely do it and I have to REALLY stretch hard to do it. My thumb is always on the back of the neck so I can reach further.
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tuning a mandola GDAE

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My mandola is a 4 string. It's new to me, and is currently tuned in the standard CGDA. I prefer flat wound strings because they emphasis the fundamental clearly.

Having played fiddle tunes on mandolin in a dance band for some years, I find myself naturally drawn to playing the same unison with my fiddler on mandola, but now, an octave lower than I did it on mandolin. I'm finding that only the C and G strings provide the deeper register I seek. OK, yes, an octave mandolin would be a better choice to provide that bass unison. But my small hands are telling me to stick with the mandolins shorter 16 inch scale length if this is ever going to work while playing at dance speed.

The solution I see is finding heavier string gauges to tune my mandola like an OM's GDAE. I'm guessing that someone out there in Cafe land has probably had the same problem, and can tell me precisely what size strings to use. Please tell me. I'll try it.

I am already aware that I could restring my mandola's current C, G,and D strings into the slots where I'd normally string the D, A, and E strings, and then simply tune them all a whole tone higher to actually become DAE. And where the C string now resides, I'll need a new heavier gauge string to provide the best tension as a low G.

However, I'm wary of adding too much tension. I'm really enjoying the vibrato I get from single strings. More important, I really don't have the know-how to judge if extra tension would, in the long run, cause harm to my very fine instrument. So I'm thinking the best solution would be researching slightly different gauges than what I am using right now.

Herb Taylor through-neck bouzouki

Build Update #2: Dammann Mandocello

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Build update #1 saw the top nearly completed, with rosette done, and bracing begun. The sides & back had also had some work done. I missed an update due to being wicked busy the past month, so this will really combine what should've been updates #2 & #3.

Back bracing in process:


Top bracing completed:


Sides mated to top:


I thought this was a cool touch. It won't be visible when the instrument is completed, but I'll know it's there:


Fingerboard beginning to take shape:


Fingerboard purfling in cherry (same as back/sides) with rosewood binding:


Speaking of binding - back & sides with rosewood binding:


Fingerboard complete:


Frets being installed:


Frets being trimmed:

Build Update #3 (2A): Dammann Mandocello

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This should really be #2A, as I'm posting them back-to-back, but I wanted them to be better searchable, so numbered them sequentially.

Carbon fiber reinforcements installed - strengthens the neck & backs up the truss rod:


Neck rough-shaped:


Marker dots installed. Normally Ray does these in mother-of-pearl, but I asked specifically for cherry:


Headplate laid out & ready to cut:


Headplate cut:


Beginning the bridge:


And here it is loosely pieced together to give an idea of the finished product.

Front:


Back:

Octave'd Dolas

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Hello all,

I recently played a Gold Tone mandola that had been set up with octave pairs on the C, G, and I think also the D strings. The sound was very intriguing! Kind of like a Zouk-sounding instrument with a shorter scale.

Is this something that is done very often? I had not seen this before, and I've played mandos for years and own a cheap 'Zouk that I play for the fun of it.

Are there any structural reasons not to do this to a 'dola? Any negatives?

Thanks!

:)

Looking for someone to help me find armrest for OM.

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I have searched thru mandolin cafe's forums but have been unsuccessful in locating a person or company who can make an arm rest for my newest acquisition - an Octave mandolin. I've googled names and Music stores and have had no luck. Perhaps you know of someone who is currently making these. Appreciate your help, thanks !!!
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